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Archive 箇是老早讨论个存档，弗要编辑本页个内容。如果侬要发起新个讨论或者重启老早个讨论，请访问当前讨论页。

请会吴语个朋友自觉用吴语交流
此地是吴语维基百科个讨论页面
勒该搭作一般性个讨论。覅忘记拿名字签勒浪。

签名只要用两条杠四只波浪符号就可以哉，系统会自动帮倷嵌进去个。
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试试看

看啦哪能嘎别扭。。Tnds

像煞是好用个。hoorah --Minus273 08:24, 3 October 2006 (UTC) 个，绍兴拧。宁波拧。上海拧说话凑大勿多个。杭州拧有眼够西个。wiki满有味道个么。满好搞个呀，——～～～～

北吴沪苏搿方言？ --Nguu 2008年5月24日 (礼拜六) 09:26 (UTC)

繁简转换问题

有些可能是繁體字用戶,總不能繁簡混雜一起吧!!

迭个问题我觉着本质浪是正字法问题，我个人个意见：可以拏大陆个简体字作为底本，适当恢复一眼过分归并个异体字以及字形容易混淆个字，比方讲：“后”搭仔“後”，“發”搭仔“髮”，“柬”和“東”作部首个字。必过现在为之呒拨合适个输入法，可以弗作强制要求，仅仅推荐使用。--Lieukehli 21:02, 7 十一月 2006 (UTC)
输入法末好用微软拼音个大字符集个。 -- 吴人 23:34, 7 十一月 2006 (UTC)
弗是每台机器浪个微软拼音侪有大字符集个，吾个就呒拨个啘 --Lieukehli 00:50, 8 十一月 2006 (UTC)

有点乱，最好规范一下书写方式。

無所謂，http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 就是繁簡混合箇，此地也因該允許繁簡並存。

界面何能处理繁简体中文互相识别个问题？ Amor 03:53, 23 十月 2006 (UTC)AMOR

现用中文简体。倪也呒拨中文维基个台湾问题搭仔粤语维基个香港澳门问题。繁简转换交关烦难个，容易转错。　-- 吴人 11:10, 23 十月 2006 (UTC)

see zh-yue:Wikipedia:城市論壇 (技術) --Hello World! 08:25, 19 一月 2007 (UTC)

考虑到吴语本字个问题，我觉着还是用繁体为主，简化部分过份繁复个汉字比方讲“龜” --Nguu 2008年5月24日 (礼拜六) 09:30 (UTC)

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// 強烈支持用繁體字 既顯得尊重傳統又有文化底蘊 人家江西閒話版已經採用繁體字了 阿拉個面未啥不好用繁體字啦 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

西文人名问题

吴语呒拨自家个译音系统，为之讲建议目前西文人名直接用西文，避免混乱。 -- 吴人 21:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

啥叫西文 :P --Minus273 05:41, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
罗马字拼写个言话么就是西文咯... --吴人 15:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
我还是第个提议，拉丁希腊一定要搅一套出来。 --Minus273 14:34, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
要是用西文个话，最好姓全部大写。 --Amor 05:04, 8 October 2006 (UTC)amor
同意amor。 --吴人 09:21, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
我感觉还是直接用西文来的好．--Yayoree

用普通话汉字译名也要附上西文转写。--Silentsound 01:47, 21 十月 2006 (UTC)

西文个人名么，勿可能侪用罗马字个。反则话，封面勒“诺贝尔”个名字格么要咋弄弄呢？
首先我觉得吴语不像广东话没有一个规范的书写体系，应该先规范一个书写体系特别是语气助词，嘘气和一些常用单词，必经吴语只是停留在口语层面的，有时会导致看文章很吃力，没有看普通话方便顺畅，我同一上面的提议用字母来标一些汉字发不出的音 ：） -- Galaxyharrylion

代虚词标准化

Minus提出要推荐用词，阿有必要对该答使用个代词虚词也啥进行标准化，哪亨来标准化。一开始也确实有必要先确定一种行文规范。--吴人 16:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

我建议先召集一个委员会，然后用Delphi technique投票决定。具体过程搿能：针对某个词各人提出一个或者数个备选方案，将方案汇总後，每个人对每个备选方案打分(0到10，记名投票)，对每个方案里个最高分搭最低分提供者，要求伊拉陈述打分个理由，各人听取陈述後进行第二轮投票。重复三趟後拿各个备选方案个平均分数按顺序列出，分数最高个一个或者两个成为正式推荐用词。--Lieukehli 17:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Tzae! --Minus273 14:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
我觉着末，搿桩事体像煞是有两个方面，一个乃就是用词，还有一个就是orthographia高头个考虑。比如讲：闲话 vs 言话，末 vs 么 vs 嚜，et cetera。 --Minus273 15:28, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

感觉上，吴语的“勒”与粤语的“喇”有异曲同工之妙。想问吴语的“勒”拼成音标是怎样的？--Hello World! 02:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

代表方言苏州吴语：IPA [lɤʔ]或者[ləʔ]。--吴人 11:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


多讲里张也勿话了。苏州闲话么，刚即培训班嘸么，格阿拉勿是苏州人也勿晓得个。再好东西也派勿着用账。
基本上呢，我么也是支持Lieukehli讲的意见，大家汇总。
不过，虚词个话，顶好是先确定虚词个用账，接落来再确定该个用账（比如讲 肯定式陈述语气）用阿里个虚词好。--keating 07:17, 20 十月 2006 (UTC)
该个辰光文献个意义就出来哉。建议看《山歌》、《何典》、《海上花列传》咾啥。可以先参考吴语文学条目。-- 吴人 23:49, 28 十月 2006 (UTC)

倾向常用字用本字，非常用字或者音变结棍的用俗字--Silentsound 01:46, 21 十月 2006 (UTC)

弗/勿

该个字末原生是读清音个，《山歌》搭仔《何典》里向也写成“弗”。必过近代个小说里向写成“勿”。

按照道理是写成“弗”为好，还无拨同音个常用字；“勿”除脱仔读音问题，还有“don't”个歧义，必过就牵涉着另外两个吴语字，朆 搭仔 覅。

该只问题有两个解决办法：要末侪写“弗”，朆 写成 弗曾，覅 写成 弗要；要末搭民国小说一样侪用“勿”。

大家觉着哪亨为好？ -- 吴人 10:34, 14 十一月 2006 (UTC)

上海言话里向里侪是 勿，苏州言话侪是 弗。历史浪讲是清音，不过 勿 也用仔交关辰光哉。反正我写 勿，侬看得懂个，侬写 弗，我也勿会觉着看勿懂个，所以，就两种写法侪可以阿好？Silentsound 12:39, 14 十一月 2006 (UTC)

余姚，慈溪拧读勿个拉。。--Chris star 2008年1月13日 (礼拜天) 13:29 (UTC)

主要勿是该个问题。民国辰光小说也是苏州话，但用“勿”，像煞是归个辰光个特殊写法，乃末造出来个字“覅”“朆”里向也是“勿”，假使一头用“弗”，一头用“覅”，内部就弗一致哉。要末就是索脚拿“覅”搭“朆”还原成分写式。 -- 吴人 15:53, 14 十一月 2006 (UTC)

我设计仔一张表格，大家看看看还需要添加眼啥个评判角度，哪恁分配权重。搿个表格未必完全科学公平，但是有个可以量化个游戏规则总归比各人自说自话要能服众。(先拏评判角度搭仔权重定下来，以后所有用字全可循此照办)
评判角度 权重 弗 勿 备注
有无文献支持 ? 7 7
文献年代较近 ? 4 7
文献權威性 ? 7 6
当前实际读音 ? 5 5 苏沪异读，旗鼓相当，其他地区未知
和本字接近度 ? 10 1
吴语呒拔歧义 ? 10 3
书写勿容易搭北语混淆 ? 10 9
派生字系统性 ? 0 10
当代媒体曝光度 ? 3 6
合计 1 ?(加权) ?(加权)
--Lieukehli 00:54, 15 十一月 2006 (UTC)

“勿”是沪语清音浊化个后果，“弗”读音虽然正常点，但本义是“不之”合音，弗是单纯个否定副词。我建议直接用“不”，重唇变轻唇个结果。呒么必要搭着北语划清界限个哇～ --Nguu 2008年5月24日 (礼拜六) 09:43 (UTC)

中文维基的吴语巴别

啥人去那里修正、补充以下好伐？ [1]

专门讨论

拙政园

封面个拙政园图有版权？非常专业嘛。。。 好像是盗版，呵呵 大家勿讲就呒没事体。 呵呵 交关晨光呒没来了。老开心看到吴语百科正式开放了。我现在用个微软雅黑字体来看吴语Wiki效果相当好。 --yin 00:28, 23 十一月 2006 (UTC)

哈哈，yin倷来哉。寻倷交关辰光哉。我也自家设成功雅黑，看起来像煞还好。 -- 吴人 00:44, 23 十一月 2006 (UTC)

微软雅黑确实看上去蛮好 raptium 19:35, 1 四月 2007 (UTC)

維基versity 研究指引

人呢人呢

哪能介wikipedia一封仔末，就呒拨人来哉... Minus273 06:59, 15 五月 2007 (UTC)

哪能统一用字/词

因为个则方言主要是口头额。。。素以哪能噶用“书面的字”来代替？是更加注重发音的接近，还是意思的接近（这个就变成普通闲话了）？ 我觉得最重要额就是个额。否则很难拓展开。要么没有足够额人参与。要么老混乱额。。。 （另外，我伐小心拆了捺额当中。。。伐好意思。。。吾阿伐大熟悉个则系统） 147.8.246.151 2008年3月30日 (礼拜天) 16:10 (UTC)Kharnak

吾觉得最好随带便做个字典。。。147.8.246.151 2008年3月30日 (礼拜天) 16:14 (UTC)kharnak

Request for bot status

I want to get a bot status for my bot (User:VVVBot). It already has flag on ru:. - VasilievVV 02:44, 13 四月 2007 (UTC)

Done.吴人 08:56, 13 四月 2007 (UTC)

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Bot bit request SieBot

Please give a bot bit to SieBot, so it will not flood your RC as it adds interwiki links using pywikipedia's interwiki.py. SieBot is active on about 140 Wikipedias. See the user page of the bot for more details, or check a complete overview of its activities here. Cheers! Siebrand (talk) 10:01, 15 八月 2007 (UTC)

Done. 吴人 13:35, 15 八月 2007 (UTC)

Bot status for PipepBot

Hello! I ask for permission to run my interwiki bot PipepBot here, and to get a bot flag for it.

  • Operator: it:User:Pipep
  • Purpose: Interwiki
  • Software: Pywikipedia
  • Has bot flag at: als, am, an, ar, ast, az, bat-smg, be, be-x-old, bn, bs, ca, ce, ceb, cs, cv, da, de, en, eo, et, fo, fr, frp, fur, fy, ga, gd, hr, ht, hy, id, ie, ilo, io, is, ja, ka, ksh, la, lb, li, lij, ln, lv, mk, ml, ms, nap, nds, nds-nl, nn, no, pms, rm, ro, roa-tara, ru-sib, scn, sh, simple, sl, sq, sr, su, sv, te, th, tl, udm, uk, vec, vo, wa, zea, zh-yue
  • Details: Interwiki using Pywikipediabot. It mostly runs manually assisted. May run automatically in some cases.

Thank you! --it:User:Pipep 19:15, 19 八月 2007 (UTC)

done. 吴人 17:21, 20 八月 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. it:User:Pipep 20:27, 22 八月 2007 (UTC)

BotMultichill

Hi, i request a bot bit for BotMultichill.

  • Botmaster : Multichill
  • Bot's name : BotMultichill
  • List of botflags on others wikipedias: about 100+ atm (see meta:User:Multichill for the current list)
  • Purpose: Interwiki (pywikipedia)
  • Technical details : BotMultichill is an interwiki bot starting at the Dutch wikipedia. The bot uses the pywikipedia framework and runs day and night in autonomous mode. Sometimes the bot will run in manual assisted mode to solve interwiki conflicts. Multichill 16:14, 6 九月 2007 (UTC)
Done. —Pathoschild 17:07:42, 13 十一月 2007 (UTC)

R. Hillgentleman

机械旗申請：

多謝！ R. Hillgentleman 18:49, 3 十一月 2007 (UTC)

Done. —Pathoschild 16:03:25, 27 十一月 2007 (UTC)

Bot policy

Hello. To facilitate steward granting of bot access, I'd like to implement the standard bot policy on this wiki. This will involve creating a redirect to this page from Project:Bot policy, and adding a line at the top noting that it is used here. In particular, this policy allows automatic acceptance of known interlanguage linking bots (if this page says that is acceptable), which form the vast majority of such requests.

Please read the text at m:Bot policy before commenting. If you object, please say so; it will be implemented in one week if there is no objection, since it is particularly written to streamline bot requests on wikis with little or no community interested in bot access requests. —Pathoschild 17:08:01, 13 十一月 2007 (UTC)

That should be pretty easy to do, given the small community.
该应该会比较简单，因为这个维基还是听小。鲁人 01:24, 15 十一月 2007 (UTC)
Done. —Pathoschild 15:59:10, 27 十一月 2007 (UTC)
机器人个东西已搬到Wikipedia:机器人。鲁人 06:04, 24 十二月 2007 (UTC)

吴语啥辰光变Wu-Yu哉？

维基百科各种文字封面，假使鼠标点勒勒吴语浪，自动出现Wǔ Yǔ,居是为啥？原先Wuniu蛮好么。就算拼音方案朆统一也勿能用mandarin个拼音么。 --Amor 2008年1月14日 (礼拜一) 10:09 (UTC)

Vandal report

Wei! I'm sorry for writing in English, but my Chinese is poor and I don't speak Wu at all. I want to report a vadalized article under 斯洛伐克 (Slovakia). Unfortunately there is nothing in the page history that I could restore, so please delete it or turn it into an article :-) --77.191.238.255 2008年4月26日 (礼拜六) 20:01 (UTC)

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The village pump

Could someome be so kind and move my contribution to your "village pump" and also, could someone please add a link to your village pump on meta ? Thanks, GerardM 2008年3月8日 (礼拜六) 10:27 (UTC)


    Done & Thanks a lot Mate !!


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Image copyright violations

Apologies for speaking in English, but it has just come to our attention in the English Wikipedia that Carka Bruni has been copying images from the Wikimedia Commons and re-uploading them here as {{PD-Self}}, in violation of the images' original licenses. Besides, since these images are in the Commons, it isn't even necessary to upload them here. I'm not sure what procedure you have to deal with this (whether warnings or a block should be placed), so I would appreciate if you handle the situation. Titoxd(?!?) 2008年5月29日 (礼拜四) 22:28 (UTC)

I started the cleanup, but I need to find the original before to establish if there is a copyright violation. Do not hesitate to use the template Template:Delete, with english comment when you find a picture that must be deleted. If it's a wrong licence problem, remove Template:Pds and explain on the image page which licence applies (for example in case of the copy of a picture available in an other wiki.
--Hercule 2008年6月26日 (礼拜四) 14:15 (UTC)

Bot request

Bot flag request goes to ROBOTS ╱ 机器人

I move the 2 ones I ask to post here --Hercule 2008年7月16日 (礼拜三) 14:59 (UTC)

Global bots

Hello. The standard bot policy was updated to allow global bots, which are now technically possible. These are trusted bots that will be given bot access on every wiki that allows global bots (the local policy or request page must explicitly allow them, or they won't get access on this wiki). The current requirements for global bots are:

  • a global bot must only maintain interlanguage links or fix double-redirects;
  • a global bot must have already been active on several wikis, with long-term contributions demonstrating its trustworthiness.

Does anyone object to allowing global bots on this wiki? I'll update the local policy in a week if there are no objections. Thanks. —Pathoschild 18:07:51, 28 七月 2008 (UTC)

Done per Hercule's message. —Pathoschild 04:26:10, 29 七月 2008 (UTC)

Manual for new and small Wikipedias

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