维基百科

Wikipedia:红茶坊

箇里是吴语维基百科个讨论页面，懂吴语个朋友请用吴语交流。

覅忘记拿签名注起来。签名用四个波浪线符号~~~~便可以哉，系统会自动帮侬嵌进去个。

早日个讨论：存档1、存档2、存档3、存档4、存档5、存档6、存档7

消歧义改用全角括号 编辑

本站个消歧义跟其他站点一样用个空格+半角括号，对汉字书写系统来讲弗大自然，建议改用全角括号。中文维基百科讨论过几趟，支持个人弗少；箇是最近一届讨论，当中提到个pipe trick也支持全角括号个，譬相打[[蛋（2009年短篇小说）|]]会解析成蛋。 Lt2818（讲张） 2022年8月21号 (日) 15:20 (CST)回复[回复]

要改个说法，影响有点大个，两千多隻页面要移动。弗晓得其他人有啥看法，知会下近段辰光活跃个朋友：@Dbdbe、Dostojewskij、Leiem、One45678、クフィ、不慎言行非法师魔女、唐吉訶德的侍從、特克斯特。 Lt2818（讲张） 2022年8月24号 (三) 20:25 (CST)回复[回复]
呒没啥问题，我觉着也好借搿只机会拿“消歧义”改成功更加吴语个讲法，譬如讲“弄清爽”“搞清爽”咾啥个，弗晓得侬觉着哪能？ クフィ（讲张） 2022年8月24号 (三) 20:37 (CST)回复[回复]
也支持使用“弄清爽”這個寫法。吳語維基也是小群體，可以不跟中文維基一樣，依照吳語的方法使用全角括号做消歧義之用也行，並非什麼事都依隨中文維基。特克斯特（讲张） 2022年8月24号 (三) 21:00 (CST)回复[回复]
蛮好个，我觉着“搞清爽”更贴近disambiguation个意思，也搭粤文站用词一致，“弄清爽”第一印象有种“从未知到已知”个意思。 Lt2818（讲张） 2022年8月24号 (三) 21:06 (CST)回复[回复]
齐巧看见“分清爽”隻讲法，像煞更加明确，侬觉着哪亨？--Lt2818（讲张） 2022年8月28号 (日) 18:14 (CST)回复[回复]
也可以。--クフィ（讲张） 2022年8月28号 (日) 22:16 (CST)回复[回复]
弗加空格+全角？--Leiem（讲张） 2022年8月25号 (四) 10:07 (CST)回复[回复]
设想如是。汉字书写出现西文空格觉着蛮怪个。--Lt2818（讲张） 2022年8月25号 (四) 10:16 (CST)回复[回复]
了解。--Leiem（讲张） 2022年8月27号 (六) 10:30 (CST)回复[回复]

已经拿上头讨论个意思写进Wikipedia:分清爽。计划用脚本批量移动受到影响个页面。--Lt2818（讲张） 2022年8月29号 (一) 01:03 (CST)回复[回复]

侪移动好哉。--Lt2818（讲张） 2022年8月29号 (一) 14:02 (CST)回复[回复]

Chinese, Cantonese and Japanese Wikipedia, which usually written by Chinese characters or kanjis, use halfwidth parentheses in articles' titles when disambiguation. Thus, there isn't any proper reason to avoid halfwidth parentheses in articles' titles when disambiguation in Wu Chinese Wikipedia, which also usually uses Chinese characters.--Joker Twins（讲张） 2023年3月18号 (六) 01:45 (CST)回复[回复]

假使讲侬真个想改，好提出来，但箇种鸡先养出蛋呢还是蛋先养出鸡个问题，呒没啥个必要改来改去哇。
你真的想改，可以提议，但这种鸡生蛋蛋生鸡的无限循环我个人是觉得很没必要。
--Jason2016426（讲张） 2023年3月18号 (六) 16:55 (CST)回复[回复]
而且，zhwiki里向还是有相关个讨论个。最近一埭讨论勒拉旧年5月份（箇埭），支持个人弗少。
箇种“自古以来”传下来个物事，就一定是正确个，或者讲贴近当地生活状态、方便大家使用个哇？更弗要讲，箇面是单独一个wiki分支，为啥要完全按照别個wiki个标准？--Jason2016426（讲张） 2023年3月18号 (六) 17:11 (CST)回复[回复]
Before this discussion, Wu Chinese Wikipedia also uses halfwidth parentheses in articles' titles when disambiguation, like Chinese, Cantonese and Japanese Wikipedia, which also usually written by Chinese characters or kanjis. Thus, it is strange and unique for Wu Chinese Wikipedia to avoid halfwidth parentheses in articles' titles when disambiguation, which is also no consensus in any other languages versions of Wikipedia.--Joker Twins（讲张） 2023年3月21号 (两) 21:25 (CST)回复[回复]
@Joker Twins：Sorry for my seeing the message late.
所以，你的意思是什么？本次投票因没有别的地方的首创而不能成立吗？（好奇）--Jason2016426（讲张） 2023年3月30号 (四) 21:30 (CST)回复[回复]

The Vector 2022 skin as the default in two weeks? 编辑

 
The slides for our presentation at Wikimania 2022

Hello. I'm writing on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Web team. In two weeks, we would like to make the Vector 2022 skin the default on this wiki.

We have been working on it for the past three years. So far, it has been the default on more than 30 wikis, including sister projects, all accounting for more than 1 billion pageviews per month. On average 87% of active logged-in users of those wikis use Vector 2022.

It would become the default for all logged-out users, and also all logged-in users who currently use Vector legacy. Logged-in users can at any time switch to any other skins. No changes are expected for users of these skins.

  • Top of an article
  •  

    Vector legacy (current default)

  •  

    Vector 2022

  • A section of an article
  •  

    Vector legacy (current default)

  •  

    Vector 2022

About the skin 编辑

[Why is a change necessary] The current default skin meets the needs of the readers and editors as these were 13 years ago. Since then, new users have begun using Wikimedia projects. The old Vector doesn't meet their needs.

[Objective] The objective for the new skin is to make the interface more welcoming and comfortable for readers and useful for advanced users. It draws inspiration from previous requests, the Community Wishlist Surveys, and gadgets and scripts. The work helped our code follow the standards and improve all other skins. We reduced PHP code in Wikimedia deployed skins by 75%. The project has also focused on making it easier to support gadgets and use APIs.

[Changes and test results] The skin introduces a series of changes that improve readability and usability. The new skin does not remove any functionality currently available on the Vector skin.

  • The sticky header makes it easier to find tools that editors use often. It decreases scrolling to the top of the page by 16%.
  • The new table of contents makes it easier to navigate to different sections. Readers and editors jumped to different sections of the page 50% more than with the old table of contents. It also looks a bit different on talk pages.
  • The new search bar is easier to find and makes it easier to find the correct search result from the list. This increased the amount of searches started by 30% on the wikis we tested on.
  • The skin does not negatively affect pageviews, edit rates, or account creation. There is evidence of increases in pageviews and account creation across partner communities.

[Try it out] Try out the new skin by going to the appearance tab in your preferences and selecting Vector 2022 from the list of skins.

How can editors change and customize this skin? 编辑

It's possible to configure and personalize our changes. We support volunteers who create new gadgets and user scripts. Check out our repository for a list of currently available customizations, or add your own.

Our plan 编辑

If no large concerns are raised, we plan on deploying in the week of October 3, 2022. If your community would like to request more time to discuss the changes, hit the button and write to us. We can adjust the calendar.

If you'd like ask our team anything, if you have questions, concerns, or additional thoughts, please ping me here or write on the talk page of the project. We will gladly answer! Also, see our FAQ. Thank you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 2022年9月22号 (四) 12:15 (CST)回复[回复]

Vector 2022要默认启用唻。我建议晏点辰光再改，现在看上去还弗大稳定，加之Vector 2022里向左上角个图标还是西文版本。--Lt2818（讲张） 2022年9月22号 (四) 13:09 (CST)回复[回复]

Category:吴语俗话 编辑

（官話發言）分類Category:吴语俗话中的條目多為詞典解釋，不適合百科全書。移動至吳語維基詞典（目前在孵育場）為宜。--沈澄心（讲张） 2022年11月23号 (三) 09:34 (CST)回复[回复]

有关吳語維基詞典，好参考八年前头个讨论，我现在比较认可MStargazer个意见，写到中文維基詞典作兴弗碍。分类当中有点页面也好拿百科性内容加进去个。--Lt2818（讲张） 2022年11月26号 (六) 01:33 (CST)回复[回复]

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请帮忙翻译成侬个闲话

We are really sorry for posting in English

 

Voting in the Wikimedia sound logo contest has started. From December 6 to 19, 2022, please play a part and help chose the sound that will identify Wikimedia content on audio devices. Learn more on Diff.

The sound logo team is grateful to everyone who participated in this global contest. We received 3,235 submissions from 2,094 participants in 135 countries. We are incredibly grateful to the team of volunteer screeners and the selection committee who, among others, helped bring us to where we are today. It is now up to Wikimedia to choose the Sound Of All Human Knowledge.

Best wishes,--Arupako-WMF（讲张） 2022年12月18号 (日) 00:28 (CST)回复[回复]

Enabling Content and Section translation tool in Wu Wikipedia 编辑

您好 Friends!

Apologies as this message is not in your native language, 请帮忙翻译成侬个闲话.

The WMF Language team is pleased to let you know that we will like to enable the Section and Content translation tool in Wu Wikipedia. For this, our team will love you to read about the tool and test the new Section Translation tool so you can:

  • Give us your feedback
  • Ask us questions
  • Tell us how to improve it

Below is background information about the tools and how you can test the Section translation tool.

Background information

Content Translation has been a successful tool for editors to create content in their language. More than one million articles have been created across all languages since the tool was released in 2015. However, the tool is not out of beta in Wu Wikipedia, limiting the discoverability of the tool and its use and blocking the enablement of the Section translation in your Wikipedia

Section Translation extends the capabilities of Content Translation to support mobile devices. On mobile, the tool will:

  • Guide you to translate one section at a time in order to expand existing articles or create new ones
  • Make it easy to transfer knowledge across languages anytime from your mobile device

We plan to enable the tools on Wu Wikipedia in the coming week if there are no objections from your community. After it is enabled, we’ll monitor the content created with the tools and process all the feedback. In any case, feel free to raise any concerns or questions you may already have as a reply to this message or on the project talk page

Try the Section translation tool

Before the enablement, you can try the current implementation of the tool in our testing instance. Once it is enabled on Wu Wikipedia, you’ll have access to https://wuu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation with your mobile device. You can select an article to translate, and machine translation will be provided as a starting point for editors to improve.

Provide feedback

Please provide feedback about Section translation on the project talk page. We want to  hear about your impressions on

  • The section translation tool
  • What do you think about our plans to enable it
  • Your ideas for improving the tool

Thanks and we look forward to your feedback and questions.

On behalf of the WMF Language team--UOzurumba (WMF)（讲张） 2023年2月1号 (三) 08:11 (CST)回复[回复]

Content and Section Translation tool enabled in Wu Wikipedia 编辑

您好 Friends!

The WMF Language team is pleased to let you know that we have enabled the Section translation and Content translation tools in Wu Wikipedia.

The Content translation tool can be discovered by users through several entry points. However, users not interested in translation can disable it from their preferences. Also, with the Section translation tool, you can start translating an article on your mobile device right when you notice it is missing in Wu. From a Wikipedia article in any language, switch languages and search for 吴语. If the article does not exist, an option to translate it will appear, as shown in the image below.

 
We know that these tools will help translators in your community to add content using any device with ease. Content created with the Content and Section Translation tool will be marked with the "sectiontranslaiton” tag, respectively, for the community to review. We’ll monitor the content created, but we are interested in hearing about your experience using the tools and reviewing the content created with it.

So, enjoy the tools and provide feedback on improving it.

Thank you!

UOzurumba (WMF)（讲张） 2023年2月21号 (两) 08:06 (CST)回复[回复]

箇个是嘛？试了下，弗能使。Google Translate 弗是吴语个翻译机。--🍀 CLOVER YAN (^_^) (回复莫忘 ping) 2023年3月5号 (日) 16:26 (CST)回复[回复]

“时新图文”评选标准同“好文章”提议 编辑

有些问题问一记大家。 封面个“时新图文”（Template:feature）到底哪亨挑个？最近几日天一直拉封面看到同一篇文章是個人缓存个问题阿是要每天编辑个问题？

还有，最近寻资料个辰光，看到箇個日文wiki上有典范条目（秀逸な記事）、优良条目（良質な記事）、特色条目等个统计，要弗是高头有吴语典范条目、吴语优良条目，我真个弗晓得有箇种物事，箇些是啥？箇些有啥个区别？阿是好勒拉特定篇目里向用标志显示一记？阿是也好考虑一记相关个提名标准、准入规则、退出机制等物事？ 根据其他言语个“典范条目”、“优良条目”比例，伲吴语wiki是该增加些箇种条目个数量，箇能样子也好督促大家写个wiki文章更加灵、更加赞。甚至多讨论讨论，箇個depth也会得慢慢交重新升起来个（veq8zy6）。

--Jason2016426（讲张） 2023年2月2号 (四) 19:39 (CST)回复[回复]

连续几日天看见同一篇文章应该是服务器缓存个原因。--Lt2818（讲张） 2023年3月6号 (一) 20:30 (CST)回复[回复]

ChatGPT像是已经有吴语版本哉 编辑

ChatGPT像是已经有吴语版本哉，只弗过只写成“上海话”，而且用个词只是普通言话对上海言话个音译，更弗要讲用啥个正字哉。箇個情况对伲呒没啥個帮助，反过会得弗方便伲吴语个保护。——Jason2016426（讲张） 2023年2月8号 (三) 17:11 (CST)回复[回复]

没 ChatGPT 使，使个 New Bing，是懂吴语个。危险好！--🍀 CLOVER YAN (^_^) (回复莫忘 ping) 2023年3月5号 (日) 16:23 (CST)回复[回复]
@Clover Yan有人拿ChatGPT训练出上海闲话哉，关键词是“请用上海话回答一下”。弗过复现率弗高。（弗要问我哪能复现哉，一個多号头呒没用老早忘记脱哉）
New Bing迭腔蛮行个嘛，弗过“被阉割了”--Jason2016426（讲张） 2023年3月5号 (日) 18:23 (CST)回复[回复]

近来望见繁体字个使用多哉 编辑

弗是曰覅使繁体字个？近来望见有众多项繁体字，封面也有繁体字。发生到事体啦？--🍀 CLOVER YAN (^_^) (回复莫忘 ping) 2023年3月5号 (日) 16:22 (CST)回复[回复]

大致翻了翻，莫是港台等地弗会说吴语个用家来造的。多个大陆少见 / 非法个条目创立哉。网络战打到吴维来？--🍀 CLOVER YAN (^_^) (回复莫忘 ping) 2023年3月5号 (日) 16:34 (CST)回复[回复]
啥个网络战？箇面么，本身就是外网嘛。箇种地方，十個“中国人”里向也难寻出一個弗恨共产党个。（虽然吴语衰弱并不完全是共产党的原因，但是它们一定要把这顶帽子扣上去怎么办？要再在民国政府手里，这个点怕是吴语区只剩上海话，而且是按照某些人的说法，“胡化的吴语”。有标准语之后的必然结果罢了-_-||。）
必过繁体字看唻蛮烦个，修改个辰光还会得纠结啊是要用繁体字……--Jason2016426（讲张） 2023年3月5号 (日) 18:38 (CST)回复[回复]

朆规定说𪥸用繁体字。

  • 吴语当中有星字写繁体或者更加早个写法比较合适，譬如臺/台、隻/只、纔/才，勒吴语当中发音弗一样个缘故。
  • 有点讲吴语个用户会用繁体个。港臺弗会吴语个用户书写个文章确实有，必过弗多；弗像腔个我会清理。
  • “弗会说吴语个用家”“网络战”之类闲话会让弗少用户弗写意个，弗希望再趟出现。

--Lt2818（讲张） 2023年3月6号 (一) 20:30 (CST)回复[回复]

我是见到封面个时新图文有吴语，但且是繁体字个摘要，吴语本身又是简体字写来个，可不怪哉。弗好讲是啥个原因，可有前因后果？--🍀 CLOVER YAN (^_^) (回复莫忘 ping) 2023年3月14号 (两) 17:19 (CST)回复[回复]

Firstly, should Wu Chinese Wikipedia only use simplified or traditional Chinese characters, or both? Secondly, if Wu Chinese Wikipedia should only use simplified or traditional Chinese characters, please unify, but it will be so difficult and hard work. Thirdly, if Wu Chinese Wikipedia can use both simplified and traditional Chinese characters, please use exchange system of simplified and traditional Chinese characters like Chinese Wikipedia.--Joker Twins（讲张） 2023年3月18号 (六) 01:58 (CST)回复[回复]

看到几個ip勒拉用机翻/搞破坏，想到仔明年计划用个IP Masking 编辑

2023年19期技术新闻提到IP Masking机制大概会得勒拉2024年启用，会得比每一個ip用户一只临时账号，跟咾伊个Cookies跑个。

弗晓得相关规定啊是会得影响封禁ip反破坏，毕竟清cookies比改IP简单交关。--Jason2016426（讲张） 2023年6月24号 (六) 12:41 (CST)回复[回复]

管理員會得有看臨時號頭IP个權力，嘸沒啥大問題。クフィ（讲张） 2023年6月24号 (六) 18:50 (CST)回复[回复]

The Vector 2022 skin as the default in two weeks 编辑

 
The slides for our presentation at Wikimania 2022

Hello. I'm writing on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Web team. In two weeks, we would like to make the Vector 2022 skin the default on this wiki.

If you prefer keeping the current skin, select "Vector legacy (2010)" in global preferences and save the change.

We have been working on it for the past three years. So far, it has been the default on more than 300 wikis, including most Wikipedias and some sister projects. This accounts for more than 4 billions pageviews per month.

It would become the default for all logged-out users, and also all logged-in users who currently use Vector legacy. Logged-in users can at any time switch to any other skins. No changes are expected for users of these skins.

  • Top of an article
  •  

    Vector legacy (current default)

  •  

    Vector 2022

  • A section of an article
  •  

    Vector legacy (current default)

  •  

    Vector 2022

About the skin 编辑

[Why is a change necessary] The current default skin meets the needs of the readers and editors as these were 13 years ago. Since then, new users have begun using Wikimedia projects. The old Vector doesn't meet their needs.

[Objective] The objective for the new skin is to make the interface more welcoming and comfortable for readers and useful for advanced users. It draws inspiration from previous requests, the Community Wishlist Surveys, and gadgets and scripts. The work helped our code follow the standards and improve all other skins. We reduced PHP code in Wikimedia deployed skins by 75%. The project has also focused on making it easier to support gadgets and use APIs.

[Changes and test results] The skin introduces a series of changes that improve readability and usability. The new skin does not remove any functionality currently available on the Vector skin.

  • The sticky header makes it easier to find tools that editors use often. It decreases scrolling to the top of the page by 16%.
  • The new table of contents makes it easier to navigate to different sections. Readers and editors jumped to different sections of the page 50% more than with the old table of contents. It also looks a bit different on talk pages.
  • The new search bar is easier to find and makes it easier to find the correct search result from the list. This increased the amount of searches started by 30% on the wikis we tested on.
  • The skin does not negatively affect pageviews, edit rates, or account creation. There is evidence of increases in pageviews and account creation across partner communities.

[Try it out] Try out the new skin by going to the appearance tab in your preferences and selecting Vector 2022 from the list of skins.

How can editors change and customize this skin? 编辑

It's possible to configure and personalize our changes. We support volunteers who create new gadgets and user scripts. Check out our repository for a list of currently available customizations, or add your own.

Our plan 编辑

If no large concerns are raised, we plan on deploying on August 9, 2023. If you'd like ask our team anything, if you have questions, concerns, or additional thoughts, please ping me here or write on the talk page of the project. We will gladly answer! Also, see our FAQ. Thank you!--SGrabarczuk (WMF)（讲张） 2023年7月27号 (四) 07:46 (CST)回复[回复]

Deploying the Phonos in-line audio player to your Wiki 编辑

您好!

Apologies if this message is not in your language, ⧼Please help translate⧽ to your language.

This wiki will soon be able to use the inline audio player implemented by the Phonos extension. This is part of fulfilling a wishlist proposal of providing audio links that play on click.

With the inline audio player, you can add text-to-speech audio snippets to wiki pages by simply using a tag: 

<phonos file="audio file" label="Listen"/>

The above tag will show the text next to a speaker icon, and clicking on it will play the audio instantly without taking you to another page. A common example where you can use this feature is in adding pronunciation to words as illustrated on the English Wiktionary below. 

{{audio|en|En-uk-English.oga|Audio (UK)}}

Could become: 

<phonos file="En-uk-English.oga" label="Audio (UK)"/>

The inline audio player will be available in your wiki in 2 weeks time; in the meantime, we would like you to read about the features and give us feedback or ask questions about it in this talk page.

Thank you!

UOzurumba (WMF), on behalf of the Foundation's Language team

2023年7月27号 (四) 10:26 (CST)

关于吴语维基百科的用词 编辑

好多动物、植物等词条的用词采用书面用词，而吴语本身有自己的特色表述却被遗弃。我觉得应该尽量用吴语词汇，而非采用平时用不到的书面词。这些方面可以参考宋元明清以来的志书中出现的词。吴语地区总共也就这么些地方，就算全部重定向也不为过。大家认为如何？--十弌 ◎ 存話簿 2023年9月7号 (四) 20:37 (CST)回复[回复]

交關動物/植物个條目儕是低品質替換，好條目裡向寫清爽直接捅過去。必過紅茶坊是老早垃吳維个俗成講法，也是蠻有名氣个詞，我會得搬轉去。--クフィ（讲张） 2023年9月8号 (五) 15:10 (CST)回复[回复]
红茶坊，听起来便不够吴地特色，希望改名
不晓得“坊”是吤某物事，另外“红茶”也无吴地个特色，希望出个名字，听起来正宗点。--十弌 ◎ 存話簿 2023年9月8号 (五) 15:54 (CST)回复[回复]
搿事体问王汝刚去：红茶坊里茶一杯，茶呀么茶一杯……--2A0C:5A80:140F:A000:5999:B2F4:651:BC95 2023年10月4号 (三) 23:45 (CST)回复[回复]

用字搭界个幾樁事體 编辑

1. 看li:Wikipedia:Wie_sjrief_ich_Limburgs，拿標準吳語寫封面頁搭界面咾啥？

2. 用woff引入少些吳語小字，語法用字（垃/勒，垃壗/垃海/勒海，弗/勿，-叫，搭/𡍲）統一起來。

好垃下頭發表㑚个看法。--クフィ（讲张） 2023年12月4号 (一) 03:08 (CST)回复[回复]

個人看法：
标准吴语呒没啥问题个实际浪向，毕竟大多数人下出来个，除开代词咯啥侪一样个；必过“吴语小字”……個人弗看好，也弗是咾欢喜，主要是长唻跟实际用法、音咯啥侪呒没啥关系。——Jason2016426（讲张） 2023年12月4号 (一) 18:36 (CST)回复[回复]
小字末好關脫正字/寫法咾啥个吵相罵，吳語現在也箇副模樣哉嗒嗒新味道弗是啥壞事體。クフィ（讲张） 2023年12月5号 (两) 05:39 (CST)回复[回复]
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